The hypocrisy of despicable Germany, whose citizens as recently as 70 years ago willfully carried out the barbaric and vicious genocide of European Jewry, is beyond belief. Leave it to these uber-pigs to think that 70 years later they can seek redemption in the eyes of G-d and Man by refusing to execute criminals and acting as overseer in a United States courtroom. What a freaking circus this trial is going to be. Via WINS:
A German government official says the nation will send an observer to the upcoming trial in New York of the professed mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001 terror attacks and four accused henchmen.
Justice Ministry spokeswoman Katharina Jahntz on Saturday confirmed a report in Der Spiegel that a German observer would attend the trial to ensure that no evidence provided by Germany would be used to apply the death penalty.
U.S. authorities announced last week that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed would be tried by a New York court. No date has been set.
Three of the four suicide pilots who carried out the attacks had lived and studied in the northern German city of Hamburg.
Germany, like the rest of Europe, except for Belarus, does not execute criminals.
Hey, who's the guy with the sword?
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December 1st, 2009 at 12:19 pm
2,000 years ago the Rabbis made the application of the death penalty so difficult that they effectively banned it.
Indeed, except for Eichmann, Israel has not executed any other person, no matter how many Jewish women and children the terrorist might have killed. I doubt they will ever again execute anyone.
We usually agree on many subjects, but on this one, I side with the Germans, they should not give any testimony that might lead to the death penalty. It’s time that all mankind finally outlawed the practice.
I lost 98%+ of all my relatives because of the Nazis. I never felt closure nor was my urge for revenge satisfied by the Nuremberg executions.
We no longer stone children to death (except of course, savage Muslims) for disobeying parents because we are no loner do cruel of heart. I know for a 100% certainty that a few hundred years from now capital punishment will be viewed as a barbaric remnant of our ancient and primitive past.
I have written before that if anyone harmed a member of my family I would certainly want to remove the skin from the perpetrator while very slowly lowering him into a vat of boiling oil so that his death would not come for hours.
Notwithstanding that sentiment, I also admit that I would gladly gouge out the eyes of the bank teller who just sits there gabbing instead of tending to business; that I would cream in my pants if I could bash in the head of that guy at the checkout counter who is so stupid that he’s holding up the entire line.
I cannot tell you the joy it wold give me to poke a stick into the ass of that idiot waiter who can’t bring me my order on time.
My heart would flutter in happiness if I could simply shoot in the face that meter-maid who stood like a vulture waiting for my last minute to expire to ticket me.
But such savage thoughts should not be acted out by a civilized people.
bernie Says:December 1st, 2009 at 12:39 pm
“we are no loner do cruel of heart” should read as “we are no longer so cruel of heart.”
smoothstone Says:December 3rd, 2009 at 10:19 am
I respect your point, Bernie. To make my point clearer, I am at Ground Zero once a week and I still get choked up each time. To think that a country – any country – can overseer the 9-11 evidence so that some evidence MAY REMAIN UNDISCLOSED so that the barbarians who slaughtered Americans can walk freely is loathsome to me. We’re not talking about Israel, this is the US. Roosevelt ordered military tribunals for eight German prisoners accused of planning sabotage in the United States as part of Operation Pastorius and eight of them were executed. Operation Pastorius was a plan for sabotage via a series of attacks by Nazi German agents inside the United States in 1942. In Ex parte Quirin the Supreme Court held this procedure constitutionally permissible
under the circumstances. The Court stated, “We have no occasion now to define with meticulous care
the ultimate boundaries of the jurisdiction of military tribunals to try persons according to the law of
war. It is enough that petitioners here, upon the conceded facts, were plainly within those boundaries. .
. . [They were] admitted enemy invaders.”
(Resources: http://www.tcf.org/Publications/HomelandSecurity/wang-tribunals.pdf and http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/10193.html)
That’s my point Bernie. These barbarians are admitted enemy invaders. Why do they get to live? What is the purpose to keep vermin like these alive?
From http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/10193.html:
In addition, the Obama admin knows precisely what they are doing. Their attempt HERE is to change American jurisprudence, just another step towards the destruction of America.
The Constitution recognizes only two types of trials, the civil and the military. The Fifth Amendment states:
No person shall be held to answer for any capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Until the Obama administration overturned two centuries of precedence, America had two systems of justice, the civil and the military.
For over two hundred years, those captured by the military outside the civil boundaries or caught carrying out military action on US soil, were tried by military tribunals. Up until the 1950s the military used drum head trials to convict and execute those found fighting in violation of custom and international law. Pirates were often hung at sea within hours of their capture. In WWII, anyone fighting disguised as a civilian faced summary execution with the approval of just three officers.
For over two hundred years we were careful to keep a firewall between civil and martial law. We did so because civil and martial law are polar opposites. Civil law is focused on protecting the rights of the accused against the overwhelming power of the state. When there is doubt, the accused walks free. Martial law is focused on imposing a minimal order on bloody chaos. It was focused on allowing the military to complete its mission and win wars. When there is doubt, the accused is presumed guilty.
Now, Obama wants to bring martial law into a civil court room in Manhattan. In order to let a civil conviction of KSM stand, the higher courts will have to overturn almost all the current constitutional protections of the accused.
And Germany is going to help him accomplish that.
They will have to overturn the requirement for Miranda warnings. They will have to overturn the Fifth Amendment protection against self incrimination. They will have to overturn the right to face one’s accusers and to examine all evidence and evidence gathering methods.
Even if the courts throw out the conviction, the government will never allow him to go free, so we will toss out protection against double jeopardy if they try to convict with a military tribunal, and toss out the right of no imprisonment without trial if they don’t.
Our system of justice relies on precedent and equality of procedure. The same rules apply to every civil trail. We can’t say that it’s okay to deny the right against self-incrimination in one person’s trial while saying it’s okay in another. If the courts overturn the rights of one individual accused, it must overturn the rights of all of them.
Nothing good will come of this trial.
smoothstone Says:December 3rd, 2009 at 10:22 am
And sadly, most of all as one commentator put it: “This will be a trial of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, various CIA agents, maybe some FBI Agents, and some Special Forces operatives. All of whom are considered, by Obama and his ilk, far greater threats to America than KSM. Obama understands that he cannot put Bush or Cheney on trial as his Leftard base demands, but he can have the Leftards swooning in the streets by having the Justice Dept listing every secret, every waterboarding, every name of every interrogator, every method used or abused…in open court.”